November County Committee Meeting Live Blog

The November County Committee Meeting takes place this Monday evening at 7.30pm. At this meeting, motions in relation to the 2024 championships and leagues will be discussed and voted on. You can keep up to date on all the motions and how they progress by following our live blog from 7.30pm

The meeting has now been declared open by County Chairman Joe Kennedy.

Aine Roche who is the Healthy Coordinator with Tipperary County Council is now addressing the meeting. Aine is informing delegates of the “Minding Your Mental Health” imitative for Tipperary GAA clubs.

Update on County Strategic Plan

Mark McLoughlin – Planning and Training Officer is now addressing the meeting. Mark has informed the meeting that a draft document has now been finalised.

Mark is now going through the results of both the online public and clubs survey.

The new plan will have a number of pillars pertaining to all the areas of Tipperary GAA and the targets which are:

• Finance & Fundraising
• County Facilities & Development
• Planning & Training
• PR & Communications
• Club Facilities & Development
• Health & Wellbeing
• Coaching & Games
• Championships & Leagues
• Referees

Mark has asked all clubs who may feel they have other areas that they feel should be included to contact him.

The meeting is now moving to the next item on the agenda which are the motions.

1. CCC

At a county CCC meeting last Sunday night the 29^th.

The committee proposed a motion for the November county committee meeting.

1. That relegation of one team from Division one of the county hurling leagues to division two be implemented.
2. That promotion of one team from Division two of the county hurling league to division one be implemented.
3. That relegation of one team from Division one of the county football leagues to Division two be implemented.
4. That promotion of one team from Division two of the county football league to Division one be implemented

Promotion & Relegation in Div 1 (hurling) has been passed and will come in to operation in 2024

Promotion & Relegation in Div 1 (football) has been passed and will come in to operation in 2024

2. Drom and Inch GAA

The above club wishes to submit the following motion(s) for the running of Tipperary GAA County Adult Leagues/Championships in 2024.

County Leagues 2024:

Start date of county leagues in 2024 to be (i) Football – weekend of 23^rd/24^th of March & (ii) Hurling – weekend of 30^th/3 l ^st March.

Taken as a recommendation for 2024

Leagues to be played in same format as 2023 except for semi-finals will not apply i.e. top team in each group will contest final. Bottom team in each group are relegated being replaced by top team in the next division for 2025.

As the above did not have a seconder to the proposal, the motion was lost

Bye Law 7 to be amended to allow clubs name 15 players not 18 as previously required. Also, the option to re­ grade 1 eligible player from the list be allowed after 1 round of championship to be permitted & not 2 rounds as previously required. Clubs to notify CCC of the eligible player by e-mail & that will be sufficient for re-grading purposes i.e. it will not require a meeting of the CCC to pass same.

Must be submitted to County Convention

3. Bord na nOg

Coiste na nOg Thiobriad Arann: Age grades: We propose that underage remain as Status Quo, that is U13, U15, & U17

The Motion is Passed

4. Knockavilla Donaskeigh Kilchams GAA

Knockavilla Donaskeigh Kickham’s propose that for 2024 the following competitive age grades would apply: – U13; U15; U17 and U20 only for the following reasons

There are too many demands on players aged 17 to 21 years between clubs, schools, colleges and some inter county players. For smaller clubs, there is a very significant level of player overlap within these teams making it very challenging to meet fixture requirements and leading to significant injuries

The current set up makes it very challenging for fixture committees to manage fixtures sensibly, particularly where the juvenile fixtures overlap with the adult fixtures.

The current U21 championship is run as an “also-ran” due to the fixture overload, What could be a very good competition is given minimal status.

If an U20 age grade was introduced (in place of an U19 and U21), it would alleviate fixture congestion and facilitate a more robust championship structure enabling more games to be played and has the potential to be a very good competition

As the previous motion has been passed, delegates are only being asked to consider the last component of this motion underlined above.

The motion has been lost following a vote 49 to 25

5. Upperchurch GAA – Motions

A team that wins the Divisional Hurling Title and finishes 2nd in their county hurling championship group, is exempt from the county ¼ final preliminary round draw. The Divisional Championship win and a 2nd place finish in the group puts them straight into the county championship ¼ final draw.

The motion is passed

If a team wins their division but finishes in 4th place in their county hurling championship group, the 4th place finish will not entitle them to a preliminary ¼ final. Only a 3rd place finish in the county championship will entitle a team to a preliminary county ¼ final.

Following a vote the motion is lost

6. Newcastle GAA

The above club wishes to submit the following motion(s) for the running of Tipperary GAA County Adult Leagues/Championships in 2024.

1. That all levels of Junior football (i.e including those below Premier Junior) revert to an All County competition with no divisional links. Divisions to run separate stand-alone competitions.

Following a vote the motion was lost

2. That County Board / CCC look at pushing out the dates of the County Finals for all Junior Football competitions below Premier Junior, taking into consideration that these competitions will not now have to meet any particular dates for Provincial Competitions.

Taken as a recommendation

7. Football Committee

Senior Football Championship 2023

14 Team structure proposal

Details

• 2 groups of 4 teams (Group A & B)
• 1 group of 6 (Group C

• The 4 semi-finalists from 2023, be # 1 seeds. Losing quarter finalists from 2023 will be designated # 2 seeds. Remaining 6 teams will be designated #3 seed.  Details of groups & seeding as follows:

Rounds 1-3

Groups A & B

• Round robin with top two teams in each group qualifying to ¼ final

Group C

• Three rounds in total with each team playing one team from each of the three seeding groups as follows:
  • Round 1 First Seeds play third Seeds, second seeds play second seeds.
    • Team 1 v 5, 2 v 6, 3 v4
  • Round 2 First Seeds play second seeds, third seeds play third seeds.
    • Team 1 v 3, 2 v 4, 5 v 6.
  • Round 3 First Seeds play first seeds, second seeds play third seeds.
    • Team 1 v 2, 3 v 5, 4 v 6.
• Order in which teams are drawn into groups will determine their placing in the group – i.e. 1^st drawn #1 seed will be team 1. and 2^nd drawn #1 seed will be Team 2 etc
• All 6 teams in one league table with top 4 teams progressing to ¼ final

Round 4 – Quarter Final

• Top team in Group A & B and top two teams in Group C seeded #1 in ¼ draw
• 2^nd place team in Group A & B and 3^rd & 4^th place team in Group C seeded #2.
• No repeat pairings from group stages where possible

Round 5 – Semi Final

• Open draw – no repeat pairings where possible

Round 6 – Final

Relegation

• 4^th place team in Group A & B, and 5^th & 6^th placed team in Group C in relegation play off.
  • Open draw with repeat pairings allowed
• Two semi-finals and a final with the winner maintaining senior status for the following year.
• Total of 3 teams relegated to Intermediate for 2025.

Regulations

• 1) 3 rd Round games should be played simultaneously – where possible
• 2) If teams finish level on points in the league stages, the following shall apply and in this order:
  • Where two teams finish on equal points and they have played each other in the group stages, then the head to head result shall determine placings
  • The higher scoring difference (subtracting total scores against from total scores for) across all games played for each team.
  • The higher scores for across all games played.
  • A play off.

Tom Cusack Cup 2024

• Semi Final – 3^rd placed team in Group A v 3rd placed Team in Group B
• Final – Semi Final winner v winner or relegation final play-off

Intermediate Football Championship 2024

11 Team structure proposal

Details

• 2 groups of 4 teams (Group A & B)
• 1 group of 3 (Group C
• The 3 teams relegated from senior the previous year, will be # 1 seeds. Losing finalist and losing semi-finalists will be seeds #2. Remaining 5 teams will be designated #3 seed.  Details of groups & seeding as follows:

Rounds 1-3

Groups A, B & C

• Round robin with top two teams in each group qualifying to proceed to knockout stages.
  • Teams in Group A & B play three games each
  • Teams in Group C  play two games each

Round 4 – Quarter Final

• Winner of Group C and 2^nd placed teams in all 3 groups in open draw with no repeat pairings

Round 5 – Semi Final

• Winners of Group A v ¼ final winner
• Winners of Group B v ¼ final winner
• no repeat pairings where possible

Round 6 – Final

Relegation

• Bottom placed team in each group in round robin relegation play off with two teams relegated.

Regulations

• 1) 3 rd Round games should be played simultaneously – where possible
• 2) Rule 6.21(5) T.O 2023 applies if teams finish level on points in the round robin stages of the competition and in the relegation round robin play-off.

Premier Junior Football Championship 2024

6 Teams

Details

• 1 group of 6
• No seedings

Rounds 1-3

• Open draw with no repeat pairings
• All 6 teams in one league table with top 4 teams progressing to ¼ final

Round 4 – Semi Finals

• Team placed #1 at end of round robin stages plays team placed #4
•  Team placed #2 at end of round robin stages plays team placed #3
  • Repeat pairings allowed

Round 5 – Final

No Relegation

Regulations

• •  3rd Round games should be played simultaneously – where possible
  • If teams finish level on points in the league stages, the following shall apply and in this order:
    • Where two teams finish on equal points and they have played each other in the group stages, then the head to head result shall determine placings
    • The higher scoring difference (subtracting total scores against from total scores for) across all games played for each team.
    • The higher scores for, across all games played.
    • A play off.

The above motion and the Ardfinnan motion to retain a 16 team championship in senior football were voted on and the County Football Committee motion was passed.

8. U21 Football Championship 2024

Proposed All County Structure

U21 Football Championship in 2024 and subsequent years to be played on an all- county basis as follows:

• 8 teams in each grade (A, B, C etc)
• 2 groups of 4 with round robin in group stages
• Top 2 teams in each group into semi-finals
• 5 rounds in total
• Open draw to decide places in groups with no seedings.
• Rule 6.21(5) T.O 2023 applies if teams finish level on points in the round robin stages of the competition
• Gradings for competing clubs to be decided by County CCC.

The above motion was lost

The motions are now completed.

The meeting will now continue with reports from the various subcommittees and Munster / Central Council delegates.